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    Default [TUT] Posible ways to spot a scammer. Works most of the time.

    NOTE: If I offend anyone due to their country of origen, then I am sorry. In NO way do I imply that everyone from the regions listed is untrustworthy. I am just using areas from my experences and it will be explaind why.

    Ive have been around the internet block for over 16 years. In fact my first net experence was connecting to a telnet based chatroom through DOS! God Im old. Anyways I always keep on top of the latest scams and tricks. How the operate, where they operate, and what usually tips people off. Now professional scammers usually do not do things like this. But in my experence those are few and far between, you have more wannabe scammers out there and just general scum.
    Scamming did not reach a real art form until about 2000. The internet was in it's infancy and e-commerce was just starting to thrive. The first reported scams came out of Russia and were well planned and kept from over saturation. These involved hitting people up for small amounts of money. Now accepting credit cards was not really widley done at that time. So usually they involved western union payments and personal checks. Those people never saw the items that they paid for. It is hard for a US bank to recoup funds from a bank in another country and we all know that once you send money by western union it is gone. This led into what was later called "shop admin". This involved setting up a store and accepting credit cards. Now instead of the information going on a secured server, the site admin saw the information. By the time someone noticed that something was wrong it was to late, their card was maxed out.
    Now these scams worked for a time until someone leaked them on the net. Now Nigeria in Africa is a hot bed for scams on the net. The shop admin idea killed a lot of small internet retailers, mine included, because they saturated the net so fast and so hard people stoped trusting small companies. It wasnt until major retailers, about 2005, started their own sites that the trust had come back. Some people still do not trust small ecommerce sites.
    Now that the history lesson is done, lets discuss some ways to tell if the person might be lidget, or if you want to get some more background from them.
    English is the most spoken language on the internet. Not everyone can speak or type english very good, that is understood. But usually professional sites will have perfect english, and those who are professionals will type it fluently. Now there are a lot of people out there that are perfect programmers and are completely trustworthy that do not speak or type english that well. So how do you tell the difference? Well lets discuss that.
    Say your wanting to hire someone who might not type english that well. Ask them a few questions:
    1. "Do you do a lot of buisness with Americans?" (Change language as needed)
    2. "What country are you from?"
    3. "Where do you live now?"
    Now those simple questions can make you see some paterns. Lets do answers and what to watch out for.
    1. If they answer yes and their english is a little bad, then it is probably the truth. If the answer is yes and their enlish is horrible then it is probably a lie.
    2. Most scammers will answer this as either America or England, because Nigeria was once a British colony and we all know everyone loves Americans lol
    3. If they give you the country you live in push for details. If you know the area then ask them something like "Hey thats cool, I used to hang out at riverdale park. Ever been there?" In this instance "riverdale" Would be something I made up. Then you will know if they are lying. A note, that trick has worked for me multipul times.
    Just a few questions to judge a response.
    Now I have noticed a patern with most scammers. They have a certain way of trying to lure you in. There are 3 stages to a scammers conversation with you.
    1. They try to build themselves up. They talk about how good they are and how much they can do for you
    2. They try and play on your greed. Telling you how much money you will make with them. They also try and play on impulse. Saying that they dont have time for you to wait around for you to decide. They have other clients.
    3. Anger. If steps one and two fail they always resort to anger. It comes in many forms but they usually call you the scammer and they dont need your money because they are rich. Etc.
    Here is one of my personal real life examples.
    I had a car for sell on the internet. I had it posted on a site dedicated for selling used cars. Now this car wasnt perfect. It was 10 years old and needed work. I had it posted for $500 this is a copy of the email correspondence I had with that person.
    Them: Hi Friend, i see you car on (websitename with held) and i want to purchase it.i send someone to go to you and move it.they have payment by cheque and take car from you.please email back.i buy cars and sell them in home country laura
    Me: The car is still for sale but I am cureouse. Where will this care be going and who will be paying for shipping costs? Because I will not pay for it.
    Them: i pay to ship you take cheque i have other cars to buy so accept now or i not by from you!
    Me: Ok but my policy is that they check will have to be held by my bank for 30 days. Once the payment has cleared you can send someone to get the car. I will have the company that you will send to hold the title in escro. If this is not acceptable you can send the money by western union or a bank transfer.
    Them: you no want to deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you ripper!!!!! i buy lot of cars. i rich. i will just forget about you!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Me: Ok if you are so rich and important then why do you want to buy a 10 year old car that needs so much work?

    I never heard a resonse back from that one. Chances are it was a stolen check. Now from that conversation you can see the three stages. Also notice the grammer. The over explination. And not all people who start out with the word friend are scammers, some people dont know the correct way to call someone from another country, but a lot of scammers use this. Also if your female they will use "honey" a lot.

    Also another thing scammers will use is western union or xoom. A lot of countries have no access to paypal, so not all people asking for that type of payment are scammers, but be leary if they DEMAND it. Now xoom has a feature, a code word that can be added and suposedly the person can not get their funds if they dont know it. Well that is a lie. I owed a buddy in Africa some cash sent it xoom and forgot to tell him the password. Well he got it anyways because as a show to me he paid the xoom clerk $5 to not ask for it. Made me rethink a lot of things. Also just because they give an address to send it to in your home country dont automatically make them ledget, they might have someone working that will send the money to them somewhere else. And it is hard to prove that you got scammed when sending a WU payment. Trust me I have fallen for it and have tried to get my money back, it wont happen.

    Now another big thing going around are people using stolen paypal accounts. For either recieving or sending money. Now when reciving money and shipping out a product ONLY send to the varified address. When recieving money for services only deal with someone who has a telephone number listed WITH their varified address. When in doubt call that number and ask the person if they are the ones sending the money. One time on a payment for a computer part I called and asked the person if they purchased it, they didnt, turns out the mans son was using his paypal account without his permission. So it cant hurt to call. Now google has started the voice thing where people can get a phone number from an country. But as soon as you call the number it tells you if it is google or not. If you have that happen to you then be very careful. Anyone who wont give you his real name and number has something to hide. When in doubt get on sype voice and/or video with someone. It is a lot harder to lie to someone that way. Oh yeah if you do get on voice with someone and they are in an internet cafe, be leary. Because if what you want done can be done within an hour or so then where they are dont matter, if it would take days or weeks then be leary because how can they complete a big project in an internet cafe. The fees would be enormouse.

    Also scammers from Africa or the Middle East will ask HUGE prices for their services. I asked a scammer one time why they did that and his answere was that all Americans were rich. $10,000 is nothing to us because we make more than that in a week. This isnt becuase the are ignorant, it is because they watch to much American tv and movies where everyone seems to be rich and have lots of money. Some of it to is our currency. We run our currency on small denominations. $1, $5, $10, $20, and $100 dollar bills. Some countries, like Iraq, do not have a bill under 1000 denar. So to them 10,000 of their currency might only seem like $5 under USD. And this is a common mistake. I couldnt figure out the currency in England to save my life. Now to tell just ask them if their understanding is off, or the actually want that much money. Usually a scammer will always ask for a huge amount.

    Ok, well thats it for now. I hope this has been helpful. Have any questions feel free to ask by replying, no PM's please. I want everyone to benifit. If you have something to add also please do.

    Also for those ledget business people out there. I hope this helps so someone dont mistake you for a scammer. Take care all.

    EDIT: Another thing going around. Getting unsecured credit cards (cards with a credit limit, not where you have to put money on it) are hard to come by in most under-developed countries. They have to use secured. Which means they have to add money to it before use and that money is their credit limit. If someone ever offers to "top off" your credit card then dont be leary, RUN! A nice scam to get your goods and your credit card number.
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    I'm from England and have been working online for the past 5 years, and guess which nation is the worst for scamming.......The ENGLISH!!!!!!!

    (Not me though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudderMan View Post
    I'm from England and have been working online for the past 5 years, and guess which nation is the worst for scamming.......The ENGLISH!!!!!!!

    (Not me though)
    Not the English. For some reason a lot of scammers use England as their "home" country. Maybe their rules are a little more relaxed. I don't know. I do know that here in the US they are taking this crap sereously and starting to send people to prison for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trinadhreddy View Post

    Hey,
    This Is The Best Tutorial Ive ever seen.
    Hope Everyone use this guide so they can spot scammers and eliminate the risk of getting their pocket burned.
    Thank you for your kind words. I plan to add to this as I see things changing, and they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machinegunrat View Post
    Not the English. For some reason a lot of scammers use England as their "home" country. Maybe their rules are a little more relaxed. I don't know. I do know that here in the US they are taking this crap sereously and starting to send people to prison for a long time.
    No really, the English. I've met them here (in Thailand) and they blatantly lie to your face, and deal with others in England too, and they are just as bad as the expat English. Let's just say I'm investing in a sturdy baseball bat when I get back there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudderMan View Post
    No really, the English. I've met them here (in Thailand) and they blatantly lie to your face, and deal with others in England too, and they are just as bad as the expat English. Let's just say I'm investing in a sturdy baseball bat when I get back there.
    Well there was a reason we threw them out of our country lol (no offense) I was going to say invest in a gun, but you all have way stricter gun laws than us lol

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    i used to skype with a russian blackhat emailer, who liked to trail nigerian scammers around and divert their scam emails, to his own offers he said that nigerians would hack into ppls smtp servers and send their spam throu them. i must admit i had to laugh when he was telling me all this, and had to admire his service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranie View Post
    i used to skype with a russian blackhat emailer, who liked to trail nigerian scammers around and divert their scam emails, to his own offers he said that nigerians would hack into ppls smtp servers and send their spam throu them. i must admit i had to laugh when he was telling me all this, and had to admire his service.
    Now there are very few good nigerian hackers out there. Most are wannabes and script kiddies. Definition of script kiddie.

    A good way to get yahoo emails was taking yahoo's email login page and copying the source code. A few changes and you would be emailed whatever they put in the username and password. This is still done for things like paypal, ebay, and world of warcraft. Set it up on a geocities webpage and spam the link in the chat rooms, usually offering hacking tools. Now after that you take the id's you have gotten, after varifying they were real, you used a program to spam your link to those peoples messanger friends list. Made it look like they came from them. Now I will admit I used to do it to get illeagle or id's you couldnt make anymore. I would get between 500 and 5000 id's a day. Those were the days when you could do things like that before the capcha and security. God I miss them. Hell go into the yahoo hackers rooms and read what people post and questions they ask. It is a trip.

    Now they like to sell credit card info there. They didnt get it themselves, they are osted on forums from real hackers and cheats because they do not have a high balance on them, or no balance. LOL it is so funny. One nigerian will have some CC's and will get ripped off by another nigerian for them, who will in tunr get ripped off by another nigerian. LOL usually all of them have the same cards for sell trying not to get ripped off.

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    A good way to get yahoo emails was taking yahoo's email login page and copying the source code. A few changes and you would be emailed whatever they put in the username and password. This is still done for things like paypal, ebay, and world of warcraft. Set it up on a geocities webpage and spam the link in the chat rooms, usually offering hacking tools. Now after that you take the id's you have gotten, after varifying they were real, you used a program to spam your link to those peoples messanger friends list. Made it look like they came from them. Now I will admit I used to do it to get illeagle or id's you couldnt make anymore. I would get between 500 and 5000 id's a day. Those were the days when you could do things like that before the capcha and security. God I miss them. Hell go into the yahoo hackers rooms and read what people post and questions they ask. It is a trip.

    that no longer works for paypal login (try it) but it Does work for paypal buttons (atleast last time i checked it did). i do not think source code editing works for most main stream sites any longer at all actually due to server side scripting such as php and asp.net.. there are certain "ways" to do this still but not on sites as paypal and other banking communities, mainly on unprotected javascripts and similar sites.

    the second portion about the "hacking"/cheating tools being offered to others in chat rooms as free software was how people used to infect others with rats.. i used to do it with Diablo1 on battle.net long ago before rats were "cool" and anyone knew what a botnet really was excpt for battling for irc rooms and battle.net room as well.. that is still done today with certain programs (cant talk about this here since its Against the rules)..

    im just killing time waiting for amr to finish up and tossing my 2 cents in on this interesting conversation...

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    again. gd stuffs man, no thanks for it in the op?

    that's a shame. i want to set a group to attack back all these scammers, not to just exploit them like you mentioned above but destruct them think what them hackers like lulzsec can do to them....

    I would love to spoil a scammers day, anyday. get in touch with me, I can even invest money in this project. I'm headstrong on this.
    >>> Others Trust Me, And You Are Next! http://bit.ly/fantestimonial1 <<<

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    Hey Judderman
    Very unusual for someone to condemn their own country so vociferously would like to see your proof

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    In proper deference to your disclaimer at the start of this discussion thread, saying that you are sorry and you don't intend to offend anyone due to their country of origin, please understand that I am not offended. I only seek to clear the air about some matters, and in particular about Nigeria.

    I am a Nigerian, and as much as you hear a lot about corruption and scams in Nigeria I am proud to tell you that I have never been involved in any of these scams; not because I am ignorant of the methods employed, but because of my personal integrity and commitment to hard work. And I must let you know that I am not alone in this. There are indeed MANY of us who conduct legal business, but a few bad eggs make the entire lot seem to stink to high heavens; and the general opinion is that "Nigerians are scammers".

    I am a programmer/web developer and I have recently tried to conduct legit business with some people online. Thankfully I have a graduate education in engineering so my English (speaking, listening, writing, and reading) is flawless. But immediately they hear I am from Nigeria, most of the time, they balk and scamper. The funny thing here is that the Nigerians who would scam you, will ALMOST NEVER tell you that they are Nigerians or are resident in Nigeria. So if I tell you that I am from Nigeria and I am not asking you to send me any money or personal or confidential information but to DISCUSS business, I believe the least you can do (not to offend my sensibility) is to suspend myths and avoid doubt by hearing me out first of all.

    Besides, those of us Nigerians who conduct legal and proper business online already face numerous frustrations from this gross and vulgar labelling. I cannot operate my PayPal account (registered while outside the country) because any logins from a Nigerian IP will cause PayPal to suspend the account. To make my transactions, I have to TRUST my friend (who is in the UK) with my funds, she would login on my behalf and carry out transactions. For similar reasons I cannot create a new PayPal account. Nor a ClickBank account. And the list grows much longer, as many other sites do not have Nigeria among their lists of countries in their registration forms. Of course it is possible to bypass some of these restrictions by changing your IP address or employing false location/residential data, but I am not one to use a false address for business transactions. I like to keep my business clean.

    In all, I am only saying that no matter how ridiculed a country is for illegal activities, assuming that every one of its citizens is a criminal is a rather odious view that some of us here hold. Some of us in those unpopular countries indeed carry out entirely honest work.

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    That's a damn long post man!

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    vociferously would like to see your proof


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