Blackhat seo vs white seo

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  1. bokibgd

    bokibgd Active Member

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    Ive tested 2 my websites too see what kind of optimization works better.

    First domain: I use domain with perfect onpage optimization, no blackhat tools, only few natural links and around 20 submitted directories by day. NO WEB2, NO BOOKMARKS, NO SOCIAL NETWORKS, NO BLOG POSTS, NO FORUM PROLES ETC, NO EDU, GOV LINKS, NO RSS FEEDS ... Just a couple articles and manualy directory submission.

    Second domain: Ive use same onpage optimization as above but with support of best blackhat tools: senuke,serobot, xrumer, AMR, scrapebox, magic submitter (all licensed) ... with 10x more do follow links then webpage above.

    What is result in Google today after 2 months trying both of them:

    Winner is first page (with no use of any blackhat tools) its a 3rd in Google.
    The other page with all best SEO tools support is on the 3rd list or 26 position.

    Ive test this because i never belive in sucess of link spamming and as i see now it doesnt and it never works. I work in SEO for a years and this make me sure that old methods of white link building is much more sucesfful then spam. Google dont care about quantity but quality. First page have 10x less dofollow backlinks, second one have many more backlinks from high PR sites, but still owned but first.
     
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    i highly doubt your study.. you dont give any actual Facts or say what the comp, keywords and other options are for this.. this is pointless without actual DATA and more information.. whitehat does Not beat blackhat, ive never seen it do it and i have in many times (doing it now for a uk client) rank a site in weeks when it has taken a whitehat company 3 months of nothing and they were charging my client over 1k per month for their whitehat slow crap... i do not believe whitehat beats blackhat, i think whitehat may outlast blackhat over time or an old whitehat site will out rank a new blackhat site.. but your study is pointless i feel...
     
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  3. russianboy72

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    just spam with quality!
     
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    Perfectly agree with wannabe... WhiteHat Sucks!

    And you are not talking about the keyword(s), strenght of competition, not enough info.
     
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    It's good you put together a little test but you really do need to make it more detailed for the above reasons.

    The old saying "what the thinker thinks, the prover proves" applies as always.
     
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    I dont want to post public my websites but if you need a prove just pm me and i will show you guys :) then send me explanation why is webpage with no use of blackhat tools 3rd in google and other with best tools worthe few thousands euros all licensed on 26 position ;)
     
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    I think both methods work when it's properly implemented. Like if you do blackhat make sure your doing it right and with proper keywords related to niche. Same as when your doing whitehat although its very time consuming so you will need a lot of patience..Compare to blackhat which is very easy to follow and great outcomes as soon as you need it..
     
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    wannabeseowizzard Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    its not about having tools... its how you Use the tools, i can give my 4 year old an ar-15 and tell him to shoot a target and more then likely it wont work out to well but you give the same ar-15 to me or someone else who knows how to shoot then it magically works... not saying that you did Not rank the site, i am saying your case study isnt right.. you didnt tell us how you did the links, how many, how you indexed them etc.. you didnt say how your onsite seo was, spun content, dupe content, unique content etc..

    im not here to argue about it i am saying that if it worked for you that is great for you.. btw 2 months to me is a while to rank a site.. if a site isnt on page 1 for me by 5 weeks i am pissed at myself and trying to figure out what i am doing wrong..
     
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    Hello Friends,

    Whitehat SEO

    White hat SEO is ethical SEO. It's SEO techniques that search engines accept. White hat SEO techniques are beneficial for site visitors as well as for search engines. The goal of white hat SEO is to improve search engine result positions via methods that won't cause search engines to penalize the site. Example- Researching relevant keywords, including keywords naturally in page titles, headings, link anchor text, other page content, and alt tags.

    Blackhat SEO

    Black hat SEO is the use of techniques that are unacceptable to search engines to boost a page's position in search results. These techniques are intended to trick search engines into giving pages higher positions in search results, and they have no benefit to site visitors. The goal is to improve search engine result positions no matter what it takes to do it. Example- Keyword stuffing, Overusing keywords in visible text, Placing keywords in hidden text.

    Thanks and Regards
    Richard Smith
     
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    That's good mate pure white hat works great now...
     
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    I'm not too concerned about this, because blackhat seo seo and white alike the same goal, to optimize a website in search engines. Only difference kalu blackhat SEO manipulation techniques to create a page Page Cloaking. While white SEO optimization techniques focus on optimizing keywords meta tag passes through, the Title Tag, Meta Description Tags, Meta Keyword Tags, Alt Tags and Body Img Tag.
     
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    White hat SEO is considered ethical SEO, while black hat SEO is considered unethical SEO.
     
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    google is fully changed you got massive success there maybe because of great quality content
     
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    Pointless study, not enough data to validate your point of view.

    I see lots of niches taken by blackhatters these days - with majority of them spamming dofollow scrapebox comments / trackbacks. But they do it SMART WAY - diversifying anchor text properly, therefore they rank. Perhaps you did your "black hat" wrong way... As Wannbe pointed out - it's not tools that rank, it's people and strategy.
     
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    exactly... just turning on the tool doesn't work. this thread should be deleted, plus if he has all those tools and still can't get a site on page one there's something wrong with him...
     
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    lol what?... this forum is turning into a small warrior forum. full of idiots with their avatars, saying non-sense and claiming to be big shots... :/

    We still rule in terms of quality members...but...
     
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    Not necessarily..
    Quality is King
     
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    I used whitehat and it was great, believe me i was 1st in rank for a big brother term...
    now i use blackhat and im really far from 1st list :(
     
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    I personal use both. i will use white hat methods to point directly to my website so i know my website has great content connected to it. then use blackhat method to point to the quilty content. Yes people say senukex,scrapebox,xrummer blah blah blah isnt working for me. Well thats because your not using it properly. People think blackhat methods is just pushing a button and the money will roll in. Thats far from the truth. Buy one tool (or get it from here :)) and master how to use it properly and once you have done that move on to other tools so you can master them.
     
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    I use Blask&White SEO. For best results you need to find a middle ground between these techniques. This means that the most effective is Grey Hat SEO.
     
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